HomeMy WebLinkAbout01/24/05Hastings Planning Commission
January 24, 2005
Regular Meeting
7:00 pm
City Clerk Melanie Mesko Lee administered the Oath of Office to Commissioners
Hollenbeck, Twedt, and Zeyen.
Vice Chair Hollenbeck called the meeting to order at 7:04 pm.
1. Roll Call
Commissioners Present: Hollenbeck, McInnis, Schmitt, Truax, Twedt, Zeyen
Commissioners Absent: Greil
Staff Present: Planning Director John Hinzman, Associate Planner
Kris Jenson, HRA Director John Grossman
2. Approve January 10, 2005 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
Motion by Commissioner Truax, seconded by Twedt to approve the minutes of
the January 10, 2005 Planning Commission as presented by Staff. Motion passed
unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARING
3. Tanek Architects – Rezoning/Development Plan Review #2005-04 – Rezone
property from C-3, Community Regional Commerce to DC – Downtown Core;
Development Plan Review for two mixed use residential/commercial buildings –
Block 2 downtown.
Director Hinzman presented background information on the item, and asked the
Commission to provide direction on several issues as requested in the Staff Report.
Vice Chair Hollenbeck opened the public hearing at 7:18 pm.
Bill Boler, 402 7 St W, reminded the Commission that the Heart of Hastings plan
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warns against spot development, and that parking is a huge issue. He urged the City
to look at development downtown as a whole. He does have concerns with the
height of the building, and feels that the 47’ limit was chosen for the scale of it, and
that the 47’ should be measured from grade.
Ron Craft, 216 2 St E, says that as a downtown business owner he has gotten
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questions as to why there are no shopping or eating destinations facing the river,
and asked the Developer if this was not feasible.
Hearing no other comments, the public hearing was closed at 7:21 pm.
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Bruce Palmer, with United Properties, (a part owner in the site) responded to some
of the questioned posed by the public. The addition of retail/restaurants along the
river creates additional parking needs. With the residential they have on the north
half of the building, they are parked at one vehicle space per bedroom underground,
which in their experience is sufficient in this type of development. Some visitor
spaces will be available off the alley. He noted that the building plans were
presented to the HPC and the residential portion redesigned per their comments.
They did like the Second Street elevation as presented. He also noted that their
people have been speaking with representatives of the Sherman group to coordinate
activities on the two sites.
Nat Shea, Tanek Architects, noted that in their design of the buildings they tried to
maintain the 20 foot and 40 foot wide spacings that dominate the historic design of
downtown. The main floor residential units on the north side are walk ups that
connect to the proposed esplanade. There are no openings to the underground
parking area – it is all vented to the exterior. He also added that brick and stone are
being used on the exterior of the building.
Mr. Palmer added that sinking the parking level deeper was not a possibility due to
shallow bedrock in the area. The market study is really dictating what is being done
in the area, and removing the top floor of the residential portion makes the
investment very risky.
Commissioner Truax expressed concern that this project would happen, and that he
has an issue with residential on the whole of the first floor on the north half.
Director Hinzman stated that his best guess as to the intent of the provision in the
ordinance which only allows residential on the first floor when less than 50% of the
floor area and at the rear of the building is to preserve commercial spaces along the
main commercial corridors, such as 2 Street and Sibley Street.
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Commissioner Truax responded that even if the buildings were connected together,
that it still wouldn’t meet the code. He also expressed some surprise that the existing
Block 2 requires 130 parking spaces.
Director Hinzman stated that based on the uses and their estimated sizes that it
does. Obviously the parking ordinance came along after the buildings on Block 2.
Commissioner Truax asked if calculations had been done on the Block 1 site.
Director Hinzman stated that that site is much closer to breaking even. It is about 10
spaces short, and the site is being credited with parking spaces available on Block 16
(block due south of Block 1). Language was put into place recently that stated that all
existing uses are adequately parked, but that any intensification of uses requires
addition parking to be provided.
Commissioner Truax also expressed concern about the proposed height of the
building. He feels it should be 47’ above grade, and not from 2 Street’s grade. He
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likes the building but doesn’t feel it meets the intent of the Heart of Hastings Plan.
The codes and ordinances are in place for a reason.
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Commissioner Twedt suggested that the Commission go point by point to provide
feedback, and asked Director Hinzman to recap the parking analysis.
Commissioner Schmitt stated that while the need for Block 2 may need 130 spaces
per the parking code, it certainly doesn’t generate the need for that many. This is a
benefit to other businesses who do use the spaces. This proposed development will
generate additional traffic and need for parking. He also added that any cars
parking at Block 1 will be displaced.
Director Hinzman stated that the same parking standards are used for downtown as
for new developments such as Cub and Wal-Mart, and we all know that they are
never 100% full either.
Commissioner Twedt acknowledged that the parking problem downtown will never
be completely solved, but that he would like to hear from anyone that has a creative
idea for providing parking. He did note that the 1 phase of this project has
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provided it’s parking on site.
Mr. Palmer stated that in his experience with this type of development, 1 parking
space per bedroom, up to two per unit, is sufficient. Under that premise, all parking
is met on site.
Commissioner McInnis expressed concern about a note in the Staff Report regarding
the possibility of reduced spaces underground and a loading area.
Mr. Shea commented that the parking layout would be tweaked to provide better
maneuverability and still maintain the same number of spaces below ground.
Commissioner Hollenbeck noted that currently downtown Hastings doesn’t meet
the parking code and that she doesn’t want to stifle new development because of
parking. In her experience as a business owner, most people park and walk the area.
The Post Office is by far the busiest location. She also commented that she likes
shared parking.
Director Hinzman questioned the Planning Commission as to how they want to
leave this item.
Commissioner Truax agreed that shared parking is good, but residential uses may
have a greater demand. He added that he isn’t opposed to looking at or using other
formulas to calculate appropriate parking requirements.
Mr. Shea added that Graphic Design has a large number of employees that park near
their building all day whereas the typical retail space has flow. He reminded the
Commission that the residential area parks itself. The added retail/office areas
would be typical of the existing downtown demands.
Commissioner Twedt asked Staff to explore shared parking. He also questioned how
a parking problem is defined. Is it when someone has to park a half block away? A
full block? More? Even at busy retail sites such as Target and Cub, which meet the
current parking standards, those lots are never full.
Mr. Palmer added that the spaces along the alley are shared spaces between the
retail/office uses and the condos for visitor parking.
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Commissioner Zeyen noted that the retail space proposed will require 79 parking
spaces, while there are 39 on site. Will the retail/office space use all 79 spaces at one
time? Not likely. With the additional 21 alley spaces, the deficit is reduced. He
wondered if the 9 spaces along Tyler weren’t a waste of space.
Commissioner Schmitt questioned whether shared parking is shared within this
block or within the downtown as a whole.
Director Hinzman stated that both scenarios can be looked at.
Commissioner Schmitt stated he didn’t feel that we should be counting excess spaces
on sites that may not always be there.
Director Hinzman asked HRA Director Grossman if he was aware of the proposed
height of the Sherman proposal for Block 1.
Director Grossman stated that he was unsure of the exact height but felt it was
comparable to this proposal – a 4 story building.
Commissioner Twedt questioned how the ordinance regarding height was
interpreted, as he could see arguments for both ways, since the ordinance
specifically mentions the Finch Building, and then it’s height (47’) afterwards.
Director Hinzman explained how residential structures are measured when on a
sloping grade, and stated it may be possible to measure these building similarly.
Mr. Palmer added that while they would have preferred for the building to sit lower
into the ground, it ended up being pushed up a ½ story due to the bedrock in the
area. If not for the bedrock, the building would have been 47’ tall.
Commissioner Schmitt questioned how tall the south building is proposed to be at
the alley.
Mr. Shea stated it would be less than 47’.
Director Hinzman showed a rendering with the existing downtown building on the
north side of 2 Street with the proposed building for Block 2, just to give a
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perspective of the proposed building compared with what already exists.
Commissioner Schmitt agreed that the intent of the ordinance was to be no higher
than 47’ at 2 Street.
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Commissioner Hollenbeck questioned what the Shoreland Ordinance had to do with
the height of a building.
Director Hinzman stated that the old Shoreland Ordinance had a height limit of 25’,
which is not practical for a downtown-type setting. The height limit has been
changed in the new Shoreland Ordinance.
Commissioner McInnis stated that because Hastings is a rivertown, we should be
trying to draw people downtown to retail and restaurants so that others may have a
river experience.
Director Hinzman stated he was looking for direction on the issue of residential on
the first floor within the DC district.
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Commissioner Schmitt stated that the ordinance has been in place for less than 2
years. He expressed concern that the 1 project to fall under the new district doesn’t
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even fit the ordinance. He also felt that this was a missed opportunity to have a
restaurant, office, or retail uses take advantage of the river setting.
Commissioner Hollenbeck asked how this ordinance related to 2 Street.
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Director Hinzman stated that the language is included within the C-3 District, which
is currently what downtown is zoned. Staff speculates that it was to protect prime
commercial space along 2 Street.
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Commissioner Hollenbeck stated that as a downtown business owner, the riverfront
is not an attractive location because of the walk to get there for customers.
Commissioner Zeyen added that as far as retail on the 1 floor, it will require a walk
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up at least a half flight of stairs, which wouldn’t meet ADA requirements. There’s a
possibility of access from the alley, but that’s not attractive either. He feels that
perhaps space along Ramsey or Tyler could be used as office/retail space with street
access.
Mr. Palmer stated that the original plan did include restaurant and retail spaces until
the bedrock issue came up. Phase I will be more traditional style housing whereas
Phase II overlooking 2 Street will be more of an urban loft style. They would love
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to find a restaurant for Phase II, but at this point they haven’t found anyone who is
willing to move into the space.
Commissioner Hollenbeck asked what actions needed to be taken.
Planning Commission Action:
Commissioner Twedt moved and Commissioner Schmitt seconded the motion to
recommend rezoning of Block 2 Original Town of Hastings from C-3 Community
Regional Commerce to DC Downtown Core to the City Council.
Upon vote taken: Ayes: 6, Nays: 0. Motion passed.
Commissioner McInnis moved and Commissioner Truax seconded a motion to
table the Development Plan for Block 2 to the February 14 meeting.
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Upon vote taken: Ayes: 6, Nays: 0. Motion passed.
OTHER ACTIONS
4. DR Horton – Site Plan Review #2005-02 Glendale Heights 3 Addition
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townhomes.
Planner Jenson presented background information on the request.
Commissioner Truax stated that he recalled the discussion on this item for Glendale
Heights 2 Addition and concluded that the Commission’s approvals weren’t
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specific enough about variations in the units.
Commissioner Twedt inquired as to an estimate of the cost increase to add brick to
the units.
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Dan Tilsen, project engineer for Glendale Heights, stated that he didn’t have a
specific amount, but it was a significant increase. He added that he has been in
discussions with Director Hinzman regarding the changes. He also noted that there
was a misunderstanding previously as it was DR Horton’s assumption that the
previous site plan review was for the entire site and not just the part platted with the
2 Addition. The landscaping was expanded at that time to help break up the units.
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Commissioner Truax indicated that he had no issues with the landscaping, but that
the color variations on the units themselves were lacking. He added that he is not
trying to pick on the applicant, but that he does want to see more detailed plans.
Mr. Tilsen stated that he and the applicant will continue to work with Director
Hinzman to meet the Planning Commission’s request.
Commissioner Truax asked if they could table the item.
Mr. Tilsen expressed a desire to move forward with the action, as they are behind
schedule due to the moratorium having been only recently lifted.
Commissioner Schmitt stated that he expects to see more colors and not just
different shades of taupe.
Commissioner Twedt stated that he liked adding brick to some of the units.
Richard Palmateri, a Vice-President with DR Horton, stated that they will work with
City Staff to prepare and present color palates that meet the Commission’s
expectations.
Planning Commission Action:
Commissioner Twedt moved and Commissioner Zeyen seconded the motion to
recommend approval of the site plan for Glendale Heights 3 Addition to the City
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Council, with the following conditions:
1) All disturbed areas on this property shall be stabilized with rooting
vegetative cover to eliminate erosion problems.
2) Applicant agrees to reimburse the City for any fees incurred in review of the
development.
3) An escrow account must be established for all uncompleted site items
(including landscaping) prior to certificate of occupancy.
4) All landscaped areas must be irrigated.
5) Incorporation of differing materials, colors or textures and\or increased
landscaping are needed to distinguish the buildings. Revised Plans must be
included in the report to the City Council.
6) Submission of an electronic copy of all plan sets (TIF, PDF, or similar format)
prior to recording of the Final Plat mylars.
7) Homeowners Association documents must be recorded prior to the release of
building permits for GLENDALE HEIGHTS 3 ADDITION.
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8) Approval is subject to a one year Sunset Clause; if significant progress is not
made towards construction of the proposal within one year of City Council
approval, the approval is null and void.
Upon vote taken: Ayes: 6, Nays: 0. Motion passed.
5. Tony Brown – Site Plan Review #2005-05 – construction of two, four unit
townhomes – 630-644 Pleasant Drive.
Planner Jenson provided background information on the item.
Commissioner Truax asked if there was any treatment planned for the rear of the
buildings.
Tony Brown, Applicant, stated that the units were planned as presented. He added
that he does a number of interior updates to attract high quality tenants.
Commissioner Truax reiterated that he felt something needed to be done to break up
the rear façade of the building.
Commissioner Zeyen asked about using trim boards on the rear of the building as
well.
Mr. Brown stated that hadn’t intended to. Mr. Brown did present a color picture
which illustrated the two color schemes he was intending to use on site.
Commissioner Zeyen asked if the turnaround for the driveways would be located
between the driveways, or on the outside of each.
Director Hinzman stated that it while the applicant hadn’t yet submitted a proposal
on that portion, he anticipated that it would make most sense for the turnaround to
located between the two driveways. This way it would also interfere less with the
front yard trees as proposed.
Planning Commission Action:
Commissioner McInnis moved and Commissioner Truax seconded the motion to
recommend approval of the site plans for Lots 4 & 5, Block 1 WHISPERING
MEADOWS to the City Council, with the following conditions:
1) All disturbed areas on this property shall be stabilized with rooting
vegetative cover to eliminate erosion problems.
2) An escrow account must be established for all uncompleted site items
(including landscaping) prior to certificate of occupancy.
3) Specific species information regarding trees to be provided.
4) All landscaped areas must be irrigated.
5) The site plan must be modified to include a turnaround for each driveway.
6) Incorporation of differing colors and trim boards to distinguish the buildings,
as well as additional foundation landscaping around the site.
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7) Final approval of the grading, drainage and utility plans by the Public Works
Director, and reimbursement for any fees incurred in review of the sites. The
owner assumes all risks associated with the grading and utility placement
prior to formal approvals.
8) Submission of an electronic copy of all plan sets (TIF, PDF, or similar format)
prior to issuance of a building permit.
9) Approval is subject to a one year Sunset Clause; if significant progress is not
made towards construction of the proposal within one year of City Council
approval, the approval is null and void
Upon vote taken: Ayes: 6, Nays: 0. Motion passed.
6. Other Business
Director Hinzman updated the Commission on recent Council actions, as well as
future projects for the February 14 Commission meeting.
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7. Adjourn
Meeting adjourned at 9:05 pm
Respectfully submitted,
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Kristine Jenson
Recording Secretary