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HomeMy WebLinkAbout09/24/73CITY OF HASTINGS 100 SIBLEY STREET, HASTINGS, MINNESOTA 55033 Phone 437-6921 Hastings on the Hisslssypi OFFICE Of CItY ENGINEER MINUTES OF REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1973 Those present: Mr. Kramer, Mr. Soleim, Mr. Hallberg, Mr. Hirchert, Mrs. Stoffel, Mrs. Linde, Mr. Trautmann, Mr. Leo Schumacher, Jr., and Mr. Steve Sindt. Also present: John Davidson, Mr. Schnirring, Mr. Tonsager, Mr. Holmes, Mr. Wolff and Mr. Cater, residents on Hillside Court and members of the press and radio station. It was asked that the minutes of September 10, 1973 be corrected to show' Mr. Richard Jensen present. If was moved by Mr. Hallberg, seconded by Mr. Trautmannto approve the minutes as corrected, and unanimously passed. Regarding Burns and Enstad request for construction of office building at either 5th and Sibley, or West Highway 55, Subcommittee Chairman, Soteim stated there was no firm proposal to study at the present time. would report back once the site had been determined. Mr, The y Regarding request by Tom Reuter and Vernon Jensen, it was determined that additional studies were required and a tour of the property in approximately one month when leaves and vegetation was removed so they could view the topography in the area. Regarding Otto Theuer request to relocate the Walbridge house, Mr. Soleim reported they encountered the following problems in visiting the site and studying the regulations: 1. The house is to be moved on a site on E. 10th Street on unplatted property with an Industrial zone. There are no allowable "Special Uses" in an Industrial zone, therefore rezoning to R-I, R-Z, or R-3 would be required. 2. Septic tank requirements on 1-1/2 acres would require at least an acre and one half of property, however, the Subdivision Regulations require that less than 5-acre parcels unplatted must either be platted or a Variance would be required. The subcommittee wilt again meet with Mr. Theuer to discuss the proposal. A discussion was held in regard to the pedestrian-way proposed by Hastings Construction Company in Dakota Hills Znd and 3rd Additions. This was referred to the City Council for formal action. Minutes of Planning Gommission Meeting held Monday, September 24, 1973 Page 2. The Planned Unit Developn~ent concept will be discussed on October 8th with Mr. Arno Haering from the Metropolitan Council. There was a review of the 5-Year Capital Improvements Program. The following projects are complete, or in progress: CF- 1 S-Z CF-2 RB-Z CF-3 TR-1 STS- 1 PR-2 STS-Z PR-3 SS- 1 PR- lA S-1 PR-lB These are being prowided for by Lawcon Funds or Grants-in-Aid. Two projects which were not completed and recommended for holdover to 1974 would be: RB-1 RB~3 Acquisition of right-of-way at the intersection of T.H. 61 and T.H. 316 Plans and specifications for 10th Street improvements from T.H. 61 to the Vermillion River which would be constructed from turnback funds when turnback funds are available. Referring to Page 24, Table II, 1974 Capital Improvements, it was recommended that STS-3 be changed from Storm Sewer Construction to Storm Sewer Final Reports and Recommendations. SS-Z, Table Ilbe replaced bySS-3, Table III and that the 6" sanitary sewer in 6th Street from Pine Street to Forest Street be included in the 1974 Capital Improvements budget. S-3, Sidewalk Construction on 15th Street from Pine Street to Westview Drive, the engineer suggested that a system of priorities be established for sidewalk construction, that some of the Council members have recommended various sidewalk projects outside of those proposed, one example .is sidewalk along Nininger Road abutting Lakeside Cemetary. Another project that might be considered is the area from Ashland St. to Pine St., east of Pine Street, which would connect with the Pine St. sidewalks constructed in 1973. It was suggested that RB-5 and RB-5, Table II be replaced by RB-6 Table II, 1975 Capital Improvements Program, that the grading and utilities on Pleasant Drive from Honeysuckle Lane to T.H. 55 precede the construction of the birdge over the Vermillion River. It was suggested that RB-4A be retained in the Capital Improvements Program for 1975 and that acquisition of right-of-way for a connecting road between Ramseyand Tyler Streets, between llthand 15th Streets be provided so that one-way designations might be made of Ramsey and Minute s of Planning G ommis s ion Me eting held Monday, September 24, 1973 Page 3. Tyler Streets south to 18th Street. It was suggested that PR-4, PR-5, PR-6 and PR-7 for $5000 of improvements be retained onlyin amount and these priorities be reviewed by the Natural Resources Commission and a resolution passed at their last meeting be studied further relative to construction of tennis courts or improvement of tennis courts at the Roadside Park and T.H. 55. Again, PR-lA and PR-lB and PR-gA be included in a Grants-in- Aid request for Lawcon or Corps of Engineers funding. It was moved by Mr. Trautmann, seconded by Mrs. Linde to adjourn, and unanimously passed. John Davidson, City Engineer CITY OF HASTINGS 100 SIBLEY STREET, HASTINGS, MINNESOTA 55033 Phone 437-6921 14astings on the Mississippi OFFICE OF CITY ENGINEER MINUTES OF REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1973 Those present: Mr. Kramer, Mr. Soleim, Mr. Hallberg, Mr. Hirchert, Mrs. Stoffel, Mrs. Linde, Mr. Trautmann, Mr. Leo Schumacher, Jr., and Mr. Steve Sindt. Also present: John Davidson, Mr. Irv Schnirring, Mr. Tonsager, Mr. Holmes and Mr. Woolf and Mr. Gary Cater, residents on Hillside Court. Also present were members of the press and radio station. It was asked that the minutes of September 10 be corrected to show that Mr. Richard Jensenwas present. After that correction the minutes were app'roved by Mr. Hallberg '~econded by Mr. Trautmann and unanimously approved. Next item, Burns and Enstad request for construction of office building at either 5th and Sibley or West Highway 55 had not been resolved. The sub- committee chairman, Mr. Soleim, stated that there was no firm proposal to study at the present time. They would report back once the site had been dete rmined. Next, the request of Mr. Tom Reuterand Vernon Jensen for construction of houses and private well and septic tank sytems in the West Second Street area between Spring and Pine Streets which had been referred to Mr. Hallbergs study committee. It was discussed in some detail. Mr. Vernon Jensen was present. He stated that he felt that a sanitary sewer and city water system would have been the best solution to allowing construction in the area, however, the seven 66 foot lots owned by Mr. Jensen could only be used to construct at most three principal dwelling units. It was Mr. Jensens intent that he would constuct only one single family residenence on the site. He stated that the :estimated $36, 000 for sewer and water which was provided to them in 1973 would have been agreeable to them but there were a number of persons in the area who certainly could not afford the expenditure of approximately $6, 000 per 66 foot lot. He is asking that septic tank be allowed until City sewrer is available. That he would pay the total cost o£ extending City water to the site and he would pay ail costs incidental to the necessary testing under the septic tank and well ordinances. He stated that the lots were on the North side of SEcond Street between Maple Street and Pine Street. It is possible to get the required setbacks in accordance with Zoning regulations. He stated that they had ample room for private septic systems and drain fields, that the property did flatten off below Second Street which would make septic tank and drain fields workable recognizing the fact that the soil and rock formations would have to be tested by an independent laboratory. The Engineer stated that we did have a topographic map of the area and it was determined in 1973 that it was, engineering wise, possible to construct a home on the site. Minutes of Regular Planning Commission Meeting Monday, September 24, 1973 Page Z The Engineer also stated that we must address ourselves to the environmental aspects and a report should be prepared relative to the problem that might be created by erosion, removal of vegetation and so on. The Engineer stated that a run off situation from roof drains or concrete drives or if the removal of vegetation from the deep slopes can result in disatrous erosion problems and mud slide conditions. Mrs. Stoffel stated that she felt that if the property owner who pays taxes on property certainly should be given every right to use that property in his own best interest recognizing that the proposition should be given further study. Councilman Hallberg stated that not all property is developable. It was the Planning Commission obligation to determine what areas should and what areas should not be developed in the best interest of the total community. He stated that sometime if the value to the owner is based on other than soorrt planning and there are emotions involved personal feelings toward properties which unfamiliar persons cannot be familiar. He stated that after careful studies it may be determined that proper facilities can and may be developed. Mr. Trautmann stated that he felt additional studies are required, that he would suggest that there be no action taken at this meeting. It was then discussed how the Reuter property fit in with this one and their requestwhich also had been referred to the Planning Commission. The Engineer stated that a more economical sewage disposal and water system could be studied for both the Reuter properties and the Jensenproperties. It may be possible, .in Mr. Jensens case to put in a lift system for one residence. It would be more economical than construction and maintenance of septic system and drain field. Iillwas then determined by the study committee chairman, Mr. Hallberg, that the Council had not approved the request by Mr. Reuter but had merely formally referred it to the Planning Commission and Mr. Hallberg stated that no study had been done by the committee, .in the case of the Jensen request since this was referred by the Council at their last regular meeting. It was decided that Mr. Jensen would provide the Planning Commission with a tour approximately one month from tod.ay so that the leaves and vegatation would be largely removed from the slopes and the Planning Commission could more easily see the topography in the area. Next was the Otto Thueur request for relocation of the Wallbridge home. Mr. Soleim, chalrman of the sub committee stated that they were not able to meet with the Thueurs, however, some of the problems that they had encountered in visiting the site and studying the regulations indicate that the following conditions exist: Minutes of Regular Planning Commission Meeting Monday, September 24, 1973 Page 3 The house is to be moved on a site on East 10th on unplatted property with an Industrial Zone. There are no allowable "Special Uses" in an Industrial Zone, therefore rezoning to iK1, R2 or R3 would be required. Septic tank requirements on 1 1/2 acres would require at least an acre and one half of property, however, the subdivision regulation requires that less than five acre parcels unplatted must either be platted or a variance would be required to the subdivision regulations. They stated that they would meet with the Thueurs to discuss ~ke proposal further. Mr. Thueur was looking for alternate sites available. In the discussion period it was asked how close this would be to the Pechacheck Mobile Home Park. It was indicated that the Mobile Home Park would be quite a ways West and North of the proposed site. This would be basically just East of the Dinty Moore property on 10th Street. Sewer is not presently available, however would be available with a lift station system in that area in the future which may or may not be part of the State Hospital connection to the City of Hastings Waste Water Treatment Plant and sewer system. Next, Mr. Trautmann left his seat as a member of the Planning Commission and joined Mr. Woolf and Mr. Cater in the audience to discuss the pedestrian way and sidewalk construction proposed by Hastings Construction Company in Dakota Hills 2nd and 3rd Addition. Questions were as follows: They recognize that the sidewalk easeraents exist and recognize the traffic carrying capacities of the streets on either side of the pedestrian ways, however, they questioned the advisability of constructing bituminous sidewalks .in these areas for lack of lighting. 2. Protect[on from pedestrians. 3. Why they have to be constructed at this time? 4. It appears to them that there are greater needs in other parts of the City particularly along thoroughfares. When will the sidewalk be constructed on 15th Street as a connector. They bring these items up only because of concern. They don't want it now. They want Council action. They want Hastings Construction Company to cease construction until adequate review has been made of the proposal to construct bituminous walks in an area they consider to be an unsafe pedestrial route. Minutes of Planning Commis sion Meeting held Moue{ay, geptemher 24, [973 Also questioned was what happens to the balance of property between the private property and the bituminous sidewalk, who maintains it and they want a Council answer to these questions. Also the expected life of a bituminous pathway through this area, whether it would become a deteriorated condition, weeds being allowed to grow and if the property owners will be responsible for maintenance. The 1Engineer stated that there would be no cost to the City, the contractor was going to pay for it, it was his responsibility under both the Subdivision Regulations and the Sidewalk Ordinance. The engineer indicated that ~ve have not addressed ourselves to lighting, however, power poles are available, lighting could be provided. As far as protection from pedestrians, this would be up to the individual property owners to fence their property if trespassing became a problem, as it would be for any public street, boule- yard or right-of-way. The necessity for doing it at this time is so that if we can put in the sidewalks prior to final landscaping, sodding and fencing of rear yards in the area. The idea of waiting until all of the property has been sold and improved before we put in the sidewalk would only mean the property owners involved would be more opposed to the program than the few that are presently involved. The answer relative to greater needs in other areas of the City is not applicable to this case, since the developer is paying the entire cost of the project, he is not about to expend those same funds in any other area of the City. They stated they brought it up only because it was of concern, they didn't want it to happen now, they wanted the Council to take action. The engineer indicated that if they were truly concerned, that if it was not a special interest request for their own benefit, they should have an alternative plan which would accomplish the same thing, to move traffic between streets. If a better plan were provided it would be recommended that the Council consider such a plan, however, the only feasible plan would nxerely be the re- location of the present planned-in place system, to replat the area at this time would appear to be only a delay tactic. The engineer stated that bituminous walks should last as long as bituminous streets and we have a good number of bituminous streets within the City of Hastings, most of which were constructed since 1958 have not been a serious maintenace problem, provided adequate base and depth of surfacing is used. We reviewed the sidewalk concept in the John Gonzemius area from 1963 and 1964 to the present final platting, which indicated no significant change from the very original concept plan to the present platting had been made. The Planned Unit Development concept to be discussed with Mr. Arno Haering, from the Metropolitan Council was deferred to October 8th. Mr. Haering called the City Engineer and indicated the information that he was going to provide the Planning Commission had not yet been received by him. He would contact the City and advise them when the material was available so he could meet with them at their October meeting. There was a review of the 5-Year Capital Improvements Program. The engineer Minutes of Planning Commission Meeting h.e~d Monday, September 2,4, !973 referred the Planning Commission to Page 23, Table I, for the 1973 Capital Improvements budget and reported as follows: The following projects are complete, or in progress: CF 1 PR2 GFZ PR3 CF3 PR1A STS1 PR1B STS2 SS1 Si S2 RBZ TR1 These are being provided for by Lawcon Funds and Grants in Aid. Two projects which were not completed and recommended for hold over to 1974 woutd be: RB1 - Acquisition of right-of-way at the intersection of T.H. 61 and T.H. 316 RB3 - Plans and specifications for 10th Street improvements from T.H. 61 to the Vermillion River which would be constructed from turnback funds when turnback funds are available. Referring to Page 24, Table II, 1974 Capital Improvements, it was recommended that STS 3 be changed from Storm Sewer Construction to Storn~ Sewer Final Reports and Recommendations. That SSZ, Table II, be replaced by SS3, Table III and that the 6" sanitary sewer in 6th Street from Pine Street to Forest Street be included in the 1974 Capital Improvements budget. Item S3, Sidewalk Construction on 15th Street from Pine Street to Westview Drive, the engineer suggested that a system of priorities be established for sidewalk construction, that some of the Council members have recommended various sidewalk projects outside of the ones proposed, one example is the sidewalk along Nininger Road, abutting Lakeside Cemetary. Another project that might be considered is the area from Ashland Street to Pine Street, east of Pine Street which would connect with the Pine Street sidewalks constructed in 1973. It was suggested that RB4 and RB5 from Table II, 1974, be replaced by RB6 Table II, 1975, that the grading and utilities on Pleasant Drive from Honeysuckle Lane to T.H. 55 precede the construction of the bridge over the Vermillion River. It was suggested that RB4A be retained in the Capital Improvements Program for 1975 and that acquisition of right-of-way for a connecting road between Ramsey and Tyler Streets, between llth and 15th Streets be provided so that one-way designations might be made of Ramsey and Tyler Streets south to 18th Street. Minutes of Planning Commission Meeting held Monday, September 24, 1973 Page 6. It was suggested that PR4, PR5, l°R6 and PRT, for $5000 of improvements be retained only in amount and that these priorities be reviewed by the Natural Resources Commission and the resolution passed at their last meeting be studied further relative to construction of tennis courts, or improvement of tennis courts at the Roadside Park and T.H. 55. AgainPR1AandPR1B and PRZA would be included in a Grants-In-Aid request for J~awcon or Corps of tEnginee rs funding. ~'ollowing the review of the Capital Improvements Program, ~t was moved by Mr. Trautmann, seconded by Mrs. Linde to adjourn and unanimously passed. Following the meeting a question was asked relative to the status of parking on Lyn Way. It was indicated that this was referred to the Safety Committee of the Council. We completed our meeting at approximately 10:30 P.M. John Davidson, City Engineer