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HomeMy WebLinkAbout09/14/70OPEH SP]~CE COMMITTEE MEETING HELD MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14,, !9~0. Those Planning Con~-nlsslon members present: Mr, Walt Petersen., Mr. Orvin Moen, Mro Ar[and Siebrecht, Air. Do~ld F[uegel, Mr. Donald Haliberg, Air. Frank Sieckert, Mr, Skip Soleim Also present: Members of the Open Space Committee, Mr. Lew faquis, Mrs° Pat Foster. Mro' C. Ao Thomas. Mr~ Ray Kn~tson, Mr. James O~Connor. Mro Jo~ McKane. Mr. ~ve Pederson~ Mr. Tony WiHeke, Mrs. Marvin Nelson~ Mr~ Hiram Kilborn~ Mr~ Warner Fasbender, Mr, Dale Talafous and Mr. R~dy Do,son Present from the Dept. of Local and Urban Affairs - Mro Tom Clawson Representing Hochae & Associates - Mr, Milton Dale The first item of discussion was a presentation by Rev. Fair of Haven Homes regarding senior citizen housing. He explained this was an FHA rent supplement program. He furnished the Planning Commission with a proposed site plan requesting an in depth study by the Planning Commission. This was turned over to a sub-co.,nrnittee of the Plannin~ Conunission~ consisting of 1V[ro Solelrn, lvIr. Siebrecht and Mr. S~eckert. It was recommended that they have a report for the October 1~, 1970, meeting. The next item of discussion was a request by Mr. Arland Siebrecht to bring before the City Council the Kingdom Hall proposal for a church at Fifth and Ash Streets, Also recommended that the project be denied, subject to the church purchasing additional off street parking area to conform to the proposed zoning ordinance. Next the meeting was turned over to Mr. Ton~ Glawson from the Dept. of Local and Urban Affairs. He discussed the "Lawcon", which is land and water conser- vation funds (Federal funds available)~ the State natural resources program~ which allocates State funds for park and recreation acquisition and development~ and he mentioned briefly the HUD (Housing and Urban Development Open Space Funds)~ which are Federal and there is no liaison between the Lawcon and HUD funding~ He stated there were four elements of any project. This would consist of the formation of a park organization, either formal or ad hoc~ the formulation of.a comprehensive plan.system oLprlorities and the filing of an application. He sta~ed that the City ~.ngineer and Mr~ l~etersen has secured dn applicati0n form at the last seminar for review by the O~en Space Committee. He also stated that all of these funds are 50°/~ matching funds. Ti~s is to eliminate the "Santa Clause" effect in allocating fuuds; that those com~nunities truly interested in park and open space would hate the incentive to partici.pate in at least 50~/~ of the funds° However~ if the project would conform to the re§ional significance aspect~ in other words would conform to the lvfetropolitan Council plan for open space and would qual~y, therefore, for Lawcon Funds~ that the State would then participate in 50~ of the balance of City Funds, which would leave the City 25~0 of the cost of acqulsi~ion and development. He also stated that the Metropolitan Cotmc[l Park Reserve Board is defunct; that the bil~ was pass, ed in the last hours of legislature and was ruled by the A~torney Genera~ to be null and void. Therefore~ present practices at ~oc~l -~its of govcrnmen~ ~vork ~hrough the ~[etropo~itan Cocci[ for aHocatlon of pr~.o ritles~ Also stated th~ the Park and Recreation Core,tree should have an operati~ budge~. It should contact a[i ~ts of government, which could assist Par~ Sp~ce Committee with formu[at~g a program. The first i~em would be to ~et up the action group. Second w~[d be to take ~ ~ventory of a~[ the p~.esent facH~es and project these present facilities into the to~al conczpt p~an for the mu~cipa~[ty or area, forgetting about preset City boundaries so that the park-systems wou~d ~teract ~ afl surro~d~g co~ities ~d alternately with the total Codnty plan and totally with Seven Co~ty plan. Once the s~s~em is set up then the ~en Space Co~ittee could 'submit a project agreement ~d maintenance agreement form ~rough the ]~pt~ of ~cal and Urban $fffairs ~d depend~g upon priority, these f~ds world then be allocated on a priority basis. ~e a~so sta~ed t~t historica~ sites take no precedence in this program; t~t 'zhere would be o~er f~ds available for reconstruction for building parks around a ~storica[ site and that they wou~d assis~ the committee in There were two plans under the IViinneso~a Natural Resources Act° Fizst - No~ 1139 in which they have Zo 5 million available. The second is NOo 879 in which they have 4 million available, Z million of which is used for IvIetro-area. 2 million for our state areas° They are proposing that all acquisition of parks out side o£ the iV~etrooarea be participated in 1000/~ of the cost; 50~/c corning from Federal Lawcon Funds and 50~ from the Minnesota Natural Resources Funds° He stated that when the Open Space Committee set. up a system, they should determine what are their total responsibilities. He stated that the Committee could check with Inver Grove, Cottage Grove~ West St. Paul and So~. St. Paul to'determine how they have proceeded with their open space programs. ' He suggested that possibly the focal businessmen;..~ who would be willing to loan He[d Mondays SepCem e i4o 1970 Page 3 money £Ot acquisition of park land providing they would be reimbursed later from Federal and State Funds. The other method of securing funds would be by the referendum vote to allow bonding~ The~e was a question f-ron~ the floor0 from John McKane~ asking what the cost of Open Space is to the community versus developed [and costs, There was a general discussion o£ some of the facets of the Open Space Committee; that they could use several of the community orga~tizations who are anxious to work in the area of Park and Open Space~ such as the FFA, the Jo. Co ~s, the hockey boosters and all other units or 0rg~nizations withi~'~-he City° It was suggested that the ltastinss Open Space Committee meet with the Municipal Park Boards in other communitieso that they should look for cooperation between groups and that they might pattern themselves a~ter the Bloomington advisory group~ which is very similar to what we are proposing in Hastings; that the recreation aspect of this committee would go straight to the Council but that any thing dealing with lando zoning and general open space should be through' the planning Commission. It was asked what our present levy is for Park and Open Space Programs° Using a budget of aPProximately $60~ 000 and 12~ 000 personso th~s is about $5~ 00 per capita for present park rnain~enance~ equipment and park development° We completed our meeting at approximately 10:00 po mo Walter petersen~ Chairman~ Hastings 1 lanning Commission O~ice o~ ENGINEER MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION - OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE MEETING HELD MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 1970 Those Planning Commis sion members present: Mr. Walt Petersen, Mr. Orvin Moen, Mr. Arland Siebrecht, Mr. Donald Fluegel, Mr. Donald Hallberg, Mr. Frank Sieckert, Mr. Skip Soleim Also present: Members of the Open Space C(}mmittee, Mr. Lew Jaquis, Mrs. Pat Foster, Mr. C. A. Thomas, Mr. Ray Knutson, Mr. James O'Connor, Mr. John McKane, Mr. Dave Pederson, Mr. Tony Willeke, Mrs. Marvis Nelson, Mr. Hiram Kilbourn, Mr. Warner Fasbender, Mr. Dele Talafous and Mr. Randy Dotson Present from the Dept. of Local and Urban Affairs: Mr. Tom Clawson. Representing Hodne & Associates, Mr. Milton Dale The first item of discussion was a presentation by Rev. Fair of the Haven Homes Sr. Citizen Housing. He explained this was an FHA rent supplemenfi program. He furnished the Planning Commission with a proposed site plan requeste~an · This was turned ovei~4~ sub-committee ~n depth study by the Planning.~Co~m~mission. of the Planning Commission; 'A~isting Mr. Soleim, Mr. Siebrecht and Mr. Sieckert. It was recommended that they have a report for the October 12, 1970, meeting. The next item of discussion was a request be Mr. Arland Siebrecht to bring before the City Council the Kingdom Hall proposal for a church at Fifth and Ash Streets. Also recommended that the project be denied, subject to the church purchasing additional off street parking area to conform to the proposed zoning ordinance. Next the meeting was turned over to Mr. TomClawson from the Dept. of Local and Urban Affairs. He discussed the "lawcon", which is land and water conser- vation funds federal funds available, the State natural resources program, which allocates State funds for park and recreation acquisition and development, and he mentioned briefly the HUD, Housing and Urban Development Open Space Funds, which are Federal and there is no liaison between the Lawcon and HUD funding. He stated there were four elements of any project. This would consist of the forma- tion of a park organization, either formal or ad hoc. The formulation of a comprehensive plan system of priorities and the filing of a application. He stated that the City Engineer and Mr. Petersen has secured an application form Minufes of {he Planning Commis sion - Open Space Committee Meeting Held Monday, September 14~ 1970 Page 2 at the last seminar for review by the Open Space Committee. He also stated that all of these funds are 50% matching funds. This is to eliminate the "Santa Clause" effect in allocating funds; that those communities truly interested in park and open space would have the incentive to participate in at least 50% of the funds. However, if the project would conform to the regional significance aspect, in other words would conform to the Metropolitan Council plan for open space and would qualify, therefore, for Lawcon Funds; that the State would then participate in 50% of the balance of City Funms, which would leave the City g5% of the cost of acquisition and development. He also stated that the Metropolitan Council Park Reserve Board is defunct; that the bill was passed in the last hours of legislature and was ruled by the Attorney General to be null and void. Therefore, present practices at all lo cal units of government work through the Metropolitan Council for allocation of priorities. Also stated that the Park and Recreation Committee should have an operating budget. It should contact ali units of government, which could assist the Park Open Space Committee with formulating a program. The first item would be to set up the action group. Second would be to take an inventory of all the present facilities and project these present facilities into the total concept plan for the municipality or area, forgetting about present City boundaries so that the park systems would interact with all surrounding communities and alternately with the total County plan and totally with the seven County plan. Once the system is set up then the Open Spac.e Committee could submit a project agreement and maintenance agreement form through the Dept. oI Local and Urban Affairs and depending upon priority, these funds would then be allocated on a priority basis. He also stated that historical sites take no precedence in this program; that there would be other funds available for reconstruction for building parks around a historical site and that they would assist the committee in those areas. There were two plans under the Minnesota Natural Resources Act. First - No. 1 I39 in which they have 2. 5 million available. The second is No. 879 in which they have 4 million available, 2 million of which is used for Metro-area 2 million for out state areas. They are proposing that ail acquisition of parks out side of the Metro-area be participated in 100% of the cost; 50% coming from Federal Lawcon Funds and 50% from the Minnesota Natural Resources Funds. - He stated that when the Open Space Committee set up a system, they should determine what are their total responsiblities. He stated that the Committee could check with Inver Grove, Cottage Grove, West St. ]Paul, South St. Paul to determine how they have proceeded with their open space programs. He suggested that possibly the iocal businessmen, who would be willing to loan Minutes of the Planning Commission - Open Space Committee Meeting Held Monday, September 14, 1970 Page $ money for acquisition of park land providing they would be reimbursed later from Federal and State Funds. The other method of securing funds would be by the referendum vote to allow bonding. Thepy~vas a question from the floor, from John McKane, asking what the cost of Open Space is the community versus developed land costs. There was a general discussion of some of the facets of the Open Space Committee; that they could use several of the community organizations who are anxious to work in the area of Park and Open Space, such as the FFA, the J. C. 's, the hockey boosters and all other units or organizations within the City. It was suggested that the Hastings Open Space Committee meet with the Municipal Park Boards in other communities, that they should look for cooperation between groups and that they might pattern themselves after the Bloomington adv[sery group, which is very similar to what we are proposing in Hastings; that the recreation aspect of this committee would go straight to the Council but that any thing dealing with land, zoning and general open space should be through the Planning Commission. It was asked what our present levy is for Park and Open Space Programs. Using abudget of approximately $60,000 and lg, 000 persons, thru is about $5.00 per capita for present park maintenance, equipment and park development. We completed our meeting at approximately 10:00 p.m. John L. Dav[dson, City Engineer